By the way. Friday I had a first visit with a hospice patient (I am a volunteer massage therapist) whose COPD is worsening. Nurse was hoping I could do anything for the crud he was unable to pull up from lower lobes. I spent 30 minutes beginning and ending with some focussed percussion. In between was 22 minutes or so of opening his clavicular lymph, the lung organ drainage and closing clavicular lymph. Within 7 or 8 minutes he coughed up enough crud so that he was impressed. When the nurse visited Monday he was still delighted to be feeling better and breathing better. Two fans ( at least) of the work! Yay!!! This is why I am doing this. Thank you, Carmen, from all concerned!

Diane